One value to working with a good therapist is being able to check yourself on things that you have normalized. Sometimes what becomes normal to us is everything but healthy and not something we should accept as "normal".
In last week's session, I was talking about the decision we made to move south. I think it was initially his idea although it's hard to recall specifically because I was very on board with the idea from the beginning. And logistically it took me finding a job first so the process itself was heavy on me. It was about a 9-10 month process from my first applications to finally moving (February to November of that year).
From the start, I kept my parents in the loop. I shared where I was applying and where I was getting interviews. We talked about what it would be like being a long distance from them. They were sad to see me move but they were also 100% supportive of whatever decision we would make. I think I even remember at one point my ex-husband talked to my Dad in person one evening at their house to make sure he was okay with the move (I had forgotten about this until I was typing this paragraph). So these were very open conversations.
The same can't be said with regard to his Mom. His Dad had passed away. Not fully trusting my memory, I just looked up both the obituary and my spreadsheet of job applications to understand the timing better. I'm a bit shocked at what I found and don't know how to make sense of this. My first applications were about a week before his Dad passed away. I may need to come back to that revelation.
I found an e-mail from a couple of days after I completed those first applications from my ex-husband to his brother that said, "Rebecca applied to a [position] job at [agency] (would be a promotion) in Mississippi [cities] and is going to apply to the same position in [city], CA next week. We hated this winter, the cold weather and snow. Plus with all the drama with dad, mom and dad's family, the only question is when do we get to go? :) Of course a job offer needs to come first. I should be able to transfer pretty easily w/[his job], but we haven't decided if it's really what we want to do or if we're totally committed to the idea yet, but we are seriously considering..."
His brother responded and among other things, gave the following advice to my ex-husband. Not surprisingly, my ex-husband seemed to completely ignore this advice and didn’t even respond to it when he responded to other things in the same e-mail.
For what it’s worth, I don’t think moving away is the answer. If you have an issue with Mom you should tell her how you feel. She needs to figure things out on her own, and it’s okay to say no to her sometimes. It helps her learn how to do things on her own.
Obviously, you guys have to do what’s best for you. Unfortunately, things are going to be pretty lonely for Mom moving forward if she decides to treat everyone this way.
Back to the point of this blog post, it was what I shared next with my therapist that made us both pause. We didn't even tell his Mom that we were planning to move south for quite a few months (although you can see from the paragraphs above, we looped in his brother quite early). I don't remember the exact timing of telling her. I think it was before we traveled to Alabama for an interview in mid-July but I doubt it was much before that.
At the time, I just followed his lead with regard to his family. The way she tried to intervene with our realtor when we purchased our home was still in the back of my mind, as well as the other ways she constantly tried to interfere. I had the thought cross my mind that she might try to call my potential employers if she knew where I was applying. And his Mom had gotten so demanding and mean. In reviewing the e-mails between my ex-husband and his brother (from our joint e-mail account), I got confirmation that my memory is pretty solid on how bad she had gotten. At one point, she even left me a voicemail message yelling "Where are you?" when my ex-husband didn't immediately take her call (about some curtains she wanted to buy). So I think treating her like this had become “normal” to me.
Needless to say, she was pissed when she finally found out. She had some horrible things to say about me and how I would never find a job. He sat silent as she ranted about me and didn’t make any attempt to stand up for me (in that moment or in any future moment I was aware of). I imagine she felt quite blind sighted to be finding out after we were well into the process and so close after her husband passed away. Although, that doesn't mean I have any sympathy for her - she created this toxic dynamic with her son which ultimately caused me a lot of pain. (Not that I blame her for my ex-husband’s behavior, he is an adult responsible for getting the help he needs to not treat others poorly. But she had a hand in creating the dynamics that he has to face as an adult.)
But maybe that should have been a warning to me, that when my ex-husband faces something challenging even with the people he loves, he runs instead of facing it. He could have learned to say "no" to his Mom. He could have learned to set boundaries with her. He even had the example of his brother to see how that worked (although his brother often took it to another extreme and got mean in enforcing his boundaries). But he didn't. His solution was to move across the country. In hindsight, that probably was quite destructive of any chance of me having any sort of reasonable relationship with her. I’m pretty sure she blamed me for it all.
And it's interesting to me, that even after the move, he didn't cut her off or even really learn how to say "no" any better. He was just physically less available. She still called, often obsessively. He still took most of her calls. He still visited her regularly and invited her to stay with us. He still didn’t learn to really set any boundaries with her. He just distanced himself whenever he could and found it easier to gain that distance from afar.
There's even a parallel there to my marriage and divorce. He had hoped we would still be friends after the divorce. We have essentially gone no contact, not because that is what he wanted but because I made it clear I wasn't interested in a friendship. He may have been running from the marriage but he wasn’t actually trying to run away from me.